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Ocula Conversation

Wang Gongxin in Conversation

Laura Thomson Melbourne 23 May 2014

The pioneering video works of Wang Gongxin heralded the rise of the video art movement in China, and he remains a force in Chinese contemporary art today.

Born in Beijing in 1960, he belonged to the first generation of art students after the Cultural Revolution and trained as an oil painter in the Socialist-Realist style. In 1987 he was selected for a visiting scholarship program at the State University of New York during which time he encountered the video and multimedia work of important artists including Bill Viola, Nam June Paik and Bruce Nauman. The experience was profound and upon returning to Beijing in the mid 1990s, he shifted his focus to video art.

Gongxin has exhibited extensively including international exhibitions at the Asia Society and Museum New York, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, the Mori Art Museum Tokyo, the Victoria and Albert Museum London, the Musée D'Art Contemporain de Lyon, the International Center for Photography New York, the Shanghai Art Museum, and the Ullens Center for Contemporary Art in Beijing. He is now the subject of a major survey exhibition at the National Gallery of Victoria in Melbourne.

Ocula took the opportunity to talk to Wang Gongxin about his role as one of the first contemporary video artists in China, his current exhibition in Australia and his hopes for the future of contemporary art in China.

You trained as an oil painter in the Socialist-Realist style, which was the accepted doctrine in post Cultural Revolution China. Can you tell us about your background and how you first became interested in art?

The Cultural Revolution began in 1966 and ended in 1976. Two years after the revolution, the educational system resumed normal functioning status. In 1977, nation-wide college applications recommenced and all qualified applicants were accepted to higher educational institutions.

I was born in 1960, in Chinese we call our generation “Liulinghou”, or literally “people born after 1960s”. This was a very special time in Chinese history. I first became interested in drawing in the middle of the revolution. At that time, we did not have access to a lot of education but we had a teacher in junior high school who encouraged us. I liked drawing and started practicing regularly around the age of 10-12. Thanks to this early work, when higher education resumed, I was accepted to the art school of the Capital Normal University. Art education was still very much influenced by the Soviet Socialist-Realist style and I received very strict and serious training focused on the foundations of a subjects forms. I chose Western painting instead of Chinese ink wash painting, or sculpture, because I was interested in the realistic style. While I was well trained and developed mature skills it was of course quite a restricted education, there was not a lot of thought or discussion about the nature of art itself.

Travelling to New York in the late 1980s was a significant moment in your career. You were immersed in the groundbreaking video and multimedia art scenes, and confronted with new ideologies in respect to society, politics and culture. Can you discuss the experience of leaving China at this time?

In 1982, I graduated with honors and became a teacher at the Capital Normal University. In 1987, I was lucky enough to be selected as a visiting scholar for participation in a cultural exchange program between our university and SUNY Cortland.

New York at that time was the center of the art world, full of museums and galleries in which I became acquainted with all different kinds of art. For me, coming from a very traditional and conservative background, the experience was full of surprise and excitement. It was at the Whitney Biennale that I saw contemporary video art for the first time and this opened up a brand-new world for me. It was very fortuitous, almost like I was given a second chance, especially given I hadn’t previously been able to 'choose' how I would practice art. Discovering video art opened a completely new world to me and allowed me to reconsider my career.

Was your shift to video art in some way a rejection of the authoritarian nature of Socialist-Realist painting in which you trained? Or, was it simply that you made a deep connection with a previously unexplored medium?

To some extent yes. But, I would rather say it was a re-discovery of myself and the chance to make a second choice with respect to the direction of my artistic career.

If given the opportunity to explore or investigate new forms of art, you should do so based on your own interests, and find your own way. As a video artist, I gradually found my own voice and now know that the medium is the perfect form of expression for me. If you look at my career, you will understand what I just said. My artistic practice began with The Sky of Brooklyn in 1995, when I returned to China after living many years in New York City.

Just 3 days after I arrived in New York, I saw video art at the Whitney Biennale. I had also witnessed the rise of the medium, and very much admired the work of pioneers like Bill Viola, Nam June Paik and Bruce Nauman, etc. However, even though I was fascinated by video art, I did not immediately transfer my practice to the medium. To begin with, video was just another artistic reference for me. Before working as a video artist, I also worked in many other mediums including sculpture and installations, some features of which can be seen in my early works from the 1990s.

In 1995, my wife Lin Tianmiao and I returned to Beijing, and an idea struck me: to dig a well and put a monitor into it, playing a video of the sky of Brooklyn, to express my thoughts about the connection between my two lives in China and America – the result was The Sky of Brooklyn – Digging a Hole in Beijing, 1995. After doing this work, I found that I was very interested in video, the artistic possibilities encouraged me to try more. I participated in a group show in Hangzhou in 1996, after that, my career as video artist began.

As a Chinese artist living in New York and Beijing you have bridged two distinct cultures. How much of your work is autobiographical and how you see yourself in the context of Chinese art today?

When travelled to the US for the first time, I found China and US were like completely two different worlds – they felt so far apart you could not imagine they existed at the same time and I couldn’t see myself returning to China within 10 or 20 years. But now, in this era of highly developed technology, globalisation, and multi-media connectivity, it is global village - a completely integrated world, at least geographically speaking. You never feel un-connected.

Living between two cities can give you an interesting perspective: one afternoon you are taking a nap in your Beijing studio, then the next day, you are having lunch in New York, a completely different environment, way of living, language, behavior, etc. This contrast enables me to observe things very closely and makes me more sensitive to what is around me. For example, if you stay in a room full of red walls, at first you feel a little bit strange or uncomfortable, then you get used to it, then you feel nothing strange but instead normal. Later, when you come out of the room (and enter into another room with a different color), your sensitivity will return and become alive again.

I feel that existing in this state of sensitive thought and observation gives me an opportunity to reflect on where I am living and what kind of life I am leading. But I no longer see these two cities as opposites, instead I see them an “integrated world”, like day and night, they can be transformed into each other and this is an interesting thing for me.

I understand you teach art students in China. What are your observations about the next generation of contemporary artists and what are your hopes for the future of contemporary Chinese art?

I don’t teach any more. Between 2002-2007, I taught video art at the Central Academy of Fine Arts in Beijing, which had a new program called New Media Arts Major. During my time there, I enjoyed connecting with the freshness and energy of the students. They are very quick to acquire new skills, especially new technology - I even had to learn from them sometimes given that video art is so closely aligned with changes in technology!

Young artists today are different from artists of our generation: we look at art with seemingly, more responsibility within society, in a more idealistic way; they look at art from a more personal or realistic angle, based on their own interests or habits; It seems that they are equipped with easy access to a high-tech environment - computers, video games, mobile phones, digital cameras, etc are second nature to them so they have a good technical foundation from which to work as video artists.

The problem for video artists in China today is that in a money-orientated society like China, the market for video art is very small. Consequently there is only a very small group of video artists working in China and that brings with it many challenges. Two to three young artists nurtured by me in the past have already emerged. I hope there will be more young artists working with video in the future and wish them success not only with respect to international recognition but also with respect to making great art.

Turning to your exhibition at the National Gallery of Victoria, this is one of your first major exhibitions in Australia – how did it come about?

Yes, this is my first major show in an Australian national gallery. I am very grateful to the National Gallery of Victoria for the opportunity and the consideration with which they have presented the exhibition.

At the beginning, it was interesting. I had been to Sydney and Brisbane many times, but never to Melbourne and had only ever seen pictures of the NGV. We started corresponding by email. Initially they inquired about the availability of Dinner Table, 2006 then, they asked if they could have a show with me. The work was acquired, the shipping arranged, I got paid . . . we are living in a virtual world, before we met each other, all of these things were done via email over a year and a half or so. My assistant Leon was very involved, so when I flew to Melbourne, they joked that they knew Leon better than me, the artist. So this was also very interesting.

The exhibition is called Wang Gongxin: Video Artist, an unambiguous description of yourself as an artist. However, there are many painterly and indeed sculptural elements to your work – colour, light, composition, texture.  Can you discuss the role of painting and sculpture in your work?

I like this simple and interesting title for the show - it does not refer to any literary meaning, theme or subject. But for me, and for all the Chinese artists, I think it is a very clear title. Twenty years ago contemporary art in China was in its infancy and relatively unknown, now many Chinese artists are having exhibitions all around the world. Initially, these international exhibitions were always labeled as “Chinese” - “Video Artist from China”, etc. The implication was that the work was as interesting because the artists were from China ... if you know what I mean.

Now that the scene is more mature, “being from China” is not so important. Of course I do not deny the fact that I am a Chinese artist, who comes from, was educated in and essentially lives in China – this is who I am. However, it is important to me that the title of this exhibition refers simply to my work as a video artist rather than categorising me as an artist from China.

An artist is always connected to what he or she has experienced or is experiencing; their cultural identity. I was educated in the Soviet Realist style of painting, which focused on strict and serious training in forms, patterns, colors, contrasts...etc. This experience, the good and bad is a part of who I am and in some way related to my work.

The exhibition includes three major installations, Relating – it’s about Ya, 2010, in which the viewer is confronted with the chaos of Beijing in a vibrant display of sound, colour and movement. Basic colour, 2010, which depicts extreme close-ups of a naked body gradually hidden and abstracted by powdered pigments. The third work, Dinner table, 2006, depicts a Chinese banquet laden with carefully presented dishes – projected onto a steeply tilted white table – defying gravity to slide slowly and impossibly upwards. How were the works selected and what are your hopes for the exhibition?

Dinner Table was acquired by the NGV and the exhibition was an opportunity to introduce it to the public. After considering the floorplans we decided to show it with my recent major works. I would have liked to show more but space limitations meant this was not possible. Relating-It’s About Ya is a large, and powerful piece that is reflective of my major artist concerns. To balance the louder sounds and powerful presentation of Relating-It’s About Ya, we chose a comparatively very quiet and delicate work Basic Color. I think they work well together.

Being an artist, I always want wider audiences to experience my work, to interact with them, reflect on them, and communicate with them. I am very pleased that this exhibition has such a long running time, nearly 6 months, which will enable many visitors from around the world to come and see the show. The NGV has done an excellent job with all aspects of the exhibition. Melbourne is an international city, with many colleges and universities and many students from China study there, all of these things make me very happy. I believe many of them will see the show and leave valuable comments. It would be wonderful if the exhibition could travel to other cities, or even other countries, enabling more people to see my art and for me to gain valuable feedback from other fellow artists and scholars.

Your works focus your observations of society and the things around you, critiquing contemporary urban life and shifting our understanding of the every day. If you had to describe the key message you are trying to communicate what would it be?

As an artist, I prefer to communicate ideas with my audience via my work. Everything I want to say is within my works. If the written language can convey my message, then I would not need to produce my work. I want people to see the works, to feel them in person, experience them, understand them and interact with them, especially with Relating-It’s About Ya.

What’s next for Wang Gongxin – what are you working on now?

I am currently participating in a international group show called LAND SEA SKY, now on view in Shanghai. It is curated by an old friend, Kim Machan, who comes from Brisbane, maybe you know her? A new work of mine is included in the exhibition.

Next year I hope to have a solo show in Beijing or Shanghai next year, maybe both. I am also currently working on a project with a French company.

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